ჰაინრიჰ ბიოლის ფონდის
სამხრეთ კავკასიის რეგიონალურ ბიუროში
2011 წლის 30 ნოემბერს გამართული საჯარო
დისკუსია თემაზე:
`aiv-infeqcia/Sidsi
uflebebi~
da
adamianis
ძირითადი მომხსენებლები:
lia TavaZe _ UNAIDS-is sazogadoebis
mobilizaciis mrCeveli saqarTveloSi;
nino badriZe _ infeqciuri paTologiis, Sidsis
da klinikuri imunologiis s/p centri,
epidemiologiuri ganyofilebis gamge;
miranda axvlediani _ saqarTvelos saxalxo
damcvelis warmomadgeneli;
kaxaber kepulaZe _ sainformacio samedicino
fsiqologiuri centris „Tanadgoma“ eqsperti.
მოდერაცია: გოგი გვახარია
gogi gvaxaria _ gamarjoba. vinc pirvelad imyofeba biolis fondSi, minda
vauwyo, rom sajaro debatebi CvenTan yovel meore oTxSabaTs tardeba. dRevandeli
debatebi Sidsis saerTaSoriso dRes mivuZRveniT. vfiqrob, mivyveT mosawvevSi
miTiTebul Tanmimdevrobas. qalbaton lia TavaZes movusminoT.
lia TavaZe _ didi madloba yvelas mobrZanebisTvis. es CvenTvis,
adamianebisTvis, vinc sakuTar Tavs aiv-Sidsis aqtivistad miviCnevT, Zalian
mniSvnelovania. imedi maqvs, adamianebi, romlebic pirvelad SemouerTdnen am tipis
Tavyrilobas, diskusiidan wavlen im ganwyobiT, rom Tavadac miiRon raRac saxiT
monawileoba im problemebis gadawyvetaSi, romlis winaSec vdgavarT, miuxedavad
imisa, gvaqvs Tu ara am TemasTan pirdapiri Sexeba.
me vmuSaob aiv-Sidsze gaeros erTiani programis farglebSi. es organizacia
calke saagentoc ki ar aris. es gaxlavT sxvadasxva saagentoebis erToblioba,
amdenad unikaluri warmonaqmnia da miuTiTebs imaze, rom aiv-Sidsi namdvilad aris
gansakuTrebuli movlena da epidemia. is gansakuTrebulia ara marto im
qveynebisTvis, sadac aiviT inficirebulTa da SidsiT daavadebulTa ricxvi maRalia,
aramed saqarTvelosTvisac, sadac sabednierod, jer aseTi cifrebi ara gvaqvs,
Tumca riskebi sakmaod maRalia. vici, rom Cemi kolegebi da gansakuTrebiT nino
badriZe, romelic aris im dawesebulebidan, romelic aris pioneri Sidsis sferoSi
moRvaweobisa, ufro dawvrilebiT giambobT maTi saqmianobis Sesaxeb da imazec, Tu
rogor viTardeba es daavadeba.
gaurkveveli daavadebis Sesaxeb, romelic letalobiT mTavrdeboda, pirveli
informacia 70-iani wlebis miwuruls gaCnda atlantaSi mdebare daavadebaTa
kontrolis centris angariSebSi. Cemi azriT, iman, rom pirveli SemTxvevebi im
mamakacebTan aris dakavSirebuli, romlebic homoseqsualur urTierTobebs irCeven,
gamoiwvia Tavad am adamianebis da daavadebis stigmatizacia. es virusi garkveul
SemTxvevebSi yvela adamians SeiZleba gadaedos. misgan aravin aris dazRveuli da
Sesabamisad, adamianis imunodeficitis virusi da daavadeba, romelic am virusis
matarebel adamians SeiZleba droTa viTarebaSi ganuviTardes, aris SeZenili
imunodeficitis sindromi, mZime daavadeba. es dResdReobiT aris SesaZlebeli
laparaki imis Sesaxeb, rom adamianebi cxovroben am virusiT. amas SeiZleba
gamarjvebac vuwodoT, rom adamianebi, romlebsac aqvT es problema, cxovroben.
samwuxarod, jer ver vityviT, rom gankurnebadia, magram mkurnaloba efeqtiania da
am adamianebis cxovrebis xarisxic TandaTanobiT maRldeba.
am daavadebisagan imitom ar aris aravin dazRveuli, rom mas gavrcelebis
nairgvari gzebi aqvs. is gadaicema rogorc sisxliT, ise masTan misadagebuli sxva
siTxeebiT, romelic aris adamianis organizmSi. es SeiZleba dakavSirebuli iyos
saqarTvelos sinamdvileSi narkotikebis ineqciur moxmarebasTan, rac afrikis
qveynebisgan gansxvavebiT CvvenSi dRemde virusis gadacemis wamyvan gzad iTvleba.
afrikis qveynebSi inficirebulTa raodenoba gacilebiT maRalia, magram gadacemis
xasiaTi sxvagvaria. iq sqesobrivad gadacema yovelTvis ufro dominirebda.
samedicino aspeqtebze Cemi kolegebi ufro kargad isaubreben, me ufro imaze
msurs saubari, rom sazogadoebaSi metad iyos gacnobierebuli es sakiTxebi. Cveni
organizaciis Camoyalibeba am epidemiis dawyebidan aTi wlis Tavze, ukavSirdeba
ideis gaCenas, rom gaerTianebuli erebis organizaciebi, rogorc erToblivi ojaxi,
kidev erTxel gaerTianebuliyo am epidemiis winaaRmdeg. es erTiani programa
gaerTianebuli erebis aTma organizaciam Camoayaliba. misi mizani iyo, farTo
advokatireba im sakiTxebisa, romlebic daexmareboda aiv-SidsiT daavadebul
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adamianebs ufro xelmisawvdomi yofiliyo ukve arsebuli an SemdgomSi kacobriobis
mier SemuSavebuli servisebi, rac am epidemiis daZlevas Seuwyobs xels.
ukve ocdaaTi welia gasuli epidemiis dawyebidan. es TariRi ama wlis
ivnisSi maRali donis SexvedriT aRiniSna niu-iorkSi. pan gi munis dRevandel
dResTan dakavSirebul mimarTvaSi optimisturi gzavnilic aris gaJRerebuli, rom
meoTxe dekadaSi Sesvlisas realurad vxedavT perspeqtivas, rom dawyebulia am
epidemiis dasasruli. sakmaod optimisturi gancxadebaa imis gaTvaliswinebiT, rom
2008 wels dawyebuli finansuri krizisis gamo dRes gviwevs saubari sxvadasxva
siZneleze, dafinansebis Semdgomi regularuli tempiT gagrZelebac ufro
problematuri Cans dRevandeli gadasaxedidan.
minda mokled mogiTxroT, ra gaakeTa gaerTianebuli erebis organizaciam
mTlianad am wlebis ganmavlobaSi. adamianis uflebebisTvis, swored am mTavari
TemisTvis, romelic Cven gvaerTianebs dRes, gansakuTrebiT mniSvnelovani iyo es
moZraoba. imitom rom gaerTianebuli erebis organizacia, rogorc samTavroboSorisi
struqtura, gaxlavT swored is tribuna, romelic SeiZleba iyos yvelaze qmediTi,
rodesac gvixdeba Zalian Znel sakiTxebze advokatireba. dRes Zalian mniSvnelovan
Sexvedraze vijeqi, ar davakonkreteb sad da rogor, magram laparaki iyo im gzebis
Ziebaze, romlebic SeiZleba dagvWirdes imasTan dakavSirebiT, rom, vTqvaT policia
metad CaerTos narkotikebis ineqciuri momxmareblebis patronaJSi. Cven, gaeros
organizaciebi miviltviT, rom amaSi iyos namdvilad keTili sawyisi da inovacia,
magram es CemTvis piradad Sansi iyo imis gasaazreblad, rom gaerTianebuli erebis
organizacias marTla SeuZlia mniSvnelovani daxmareba, miuxedavad biurokratiisa
da moaruli reputaciisa, rom Cven imdenad bevri araferi SegviZlia, ramdenadac
mniSvnelovnad miviCnevT Tavs. es ase ra Tqma unda ar aris, imitom rom Tundac am
Sexvedraze SevZeli Semexsenebina yvela monawilisaTvis, rom aq laparaki unda iyos
ufro xelSemwyobi garemos Seqmnaze, risganac saqarTvelo Zalian Sors aris.
pirdapir getyviT, Zalian minda rom dRevandeli Cveni Sexvedra ar gadaizardos
mxolod polemikaSi iseT mtkivneul Temaze, rogoric aris narkotikebis
moxmarebasTan
dakavSirebuli
kanonmdebloba,
magram
aqve
davamateb,
rom
saqarTveloSi, rogorc weRanac vTqvi, narkotikebis ineqciuri gziT moxmareba
namdvilad aris am virusis gadacemis mTavari gza da amaze rom ar vilaparakoT da
gaeros tribunidanac ar SevaxsenoT amis Sesaxeb umaRlesi donis warmomadgenlebs,
rom ar viaqtiuroT, isini verafers gaakeTeben, amaSi Rrmad var darwmunebuli. Tu
moTxovna ar iqneba sazogadoebisgan, arc cvlilebebi iqneba.
Zalian mokled getyviT meqanizmebze, rac gaerom epidemiasTan brZolisTvis
mobilizaciis TvalsazrisiT SeimuSava. konkretulad Cems samsaxurs ewodeba
swored sazogadoebis mobilizaciis mrCeveli da es posti tipuria yvela qveyanaSi.
2001 wels iyo pirveli deklaracia, romelmac politikuri deklaraciis saxeli
2006 wels miiRo. gaeros daxmarebiT msoflio alaparakda e.w. universalur
xelmisawvdomobaze, aq igulisxmeba yvelanair servisze xelmisawvdomoba. gaeros
meSveobiT wamoiwia win iseTma sakiTxebma, rogoric aris zianis Semcireba, romlis
farglebSic arsebobs sami saagentos _ UNAIDS, gaeros jandacvis msoflio
organizacia da gaeros ofisi danaSaulisa da narkotikebis winaaRmdeg. am sami
organizaciis egidiT 2009 wels specialuri saxelmZRvaneloc ki gamoica imisTvis,
raTa ukeTesad daigegmos e.w. zianis Semcirebis programebi. es aris programebi,
romlebic swored narkotikebis momxmareblebisTvis aris gankuTvnili, zianis
Semcireba ki gulisxmobs swored imas, rom am adamianebs moeqcnen ara rogorc
damnaSaveebs, aramed rogorc dazaralebulebs. Tavs Sevikaveb iseTi sityvis
xmarebisgan, rogoricaa `avadmyofebi~, Tumca namdvilad aqvT samedicino problemebi
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TavianTi damokidebulebis gamo narkotikebze da daxmareba sWirdebaT. roca aseTi
tipis dokumentze vlaparakob, es aris imis maCvenebeli, rom gaerTianebuli erebis
organizacias Zalian bevri SeuZlia gaakeTos da daexmaros qveynebs, sazogadoebas,
rom daZlion aseTi problemebi da maT Soris aiv-Sidsis epidemia.
2011 wlis ivnisi vaxsene _ epidemiis 30 wlis Tavze ganaxlda wevri
qveynebis mier iseTi valdebulebebi, rogoric aris 2015 wlisTvis universaluri
xelmisawvdomobis miRweva aiv-Sidsis servisebze. es TariRi emTxveva aTaswleulis
gegmebis miRwevis TariRs. aseT sayovelTao dRes miTumetes aucilebelia, rom
davZlioT finansuri siZneleebi. aris moaruli xmebi imis Sesaxeb, rom Zalian
cnobili fondi, iseTi rogoricaa saqarTveloSi yvelaze didi donori, globaluri
fondi, garkveuli finansuri siZneleebis gamo saqarTveloSi arsebul programebs
Seamcirebs. saqarTvelo aris erT-erTi yvelaze warmatebuli ganmaxorcielebeli
globaluri fondis mier dafinansebuli programebisa msoflioSi da aris is
qveyana, romelmac Zalian gamarTuli sistema Camoayaliba, Tu rogor ebrZolos am
daavadebas. amaSi didia damsaxureba Cveni pirveli ledis, qalbatoni sandra
elisabed rulovsis. misi piradi damsaxurebaa is, rom ganviTarda saqarTveloSi
zianis Semcirebis programebi, romelzec ukve gesaubreT. qveyanaSi, romelsac aseTi
cudi sadamsjelo kanoni aqvs am adamianebis mimarT, es namdvilad mniSvnelovani
momentia.
bolos stigmaze minda SevaCero Tqveni yuradReba, romelic aris mTavari
barieri CvenTvis yvelasTvis, rom universaluri xelmisawvdomoba iyos, rom
yovelTvis SegveZlos sajaro sivrceSi am sakiTxebis Rirseulad gaSuqeba. ratom
vambob `Rirseulad~ _ aris mTeli rigi faqtorebi, romlebic stigmas kvebavs.
saqarTveloSi, romelic ar aris maRali prevalentobis qveyana, es infeqcia da
daavadeba koncentrirebulia e.w. riskis jgufebSi. aq igulisxmebian is adamianebic,
romlebic yidian seqss da esec aseve tabudadebuli Temaa saqarTveloSi.
gadamwyveti mniSvneloba aqvs, ramdenad SevZlebT stigmis daZlevas. Tavadac mixdeba
Tavis gakontroleba, rom Cemi ena odnavadac ar iyos siZulvilisken mimarTuli,
imitom rom im pirobebSi aRvizardeT, sadac adamianis uflebebisa da Tavisuflebis
pativiscema, samwuxarod, naklebad iyo saWiro. dRes msoflio masStabiT ikribebian
adamianebi da aqciebs awyoben. unda gvqondes iseTi ganwyoba, rom es ar aris marto
konkretul epidemiasTan da konkretul virusTan brZola, romelic damerwmuneT
sakmaod veragia imisTvis, rom saxe icvalos da nair-nairi formiT gamovlindes. da
es medicinisTvis kidev ufro didi problemaa, amitomac ar aris dRemde vaqcina am
virusis sawinaaRmdegod SemuSavebuli. Cveni motivacia unda iyos, rom viyoT
erTmaneTis mimarT pativiscemiT ganwyobilebi da ar CavTvaloT, rom es marto im
adamianis problemaa, romelic ratomRac cudad iqceva da amitom dgas im safrTxis
winaSe, rom erT mSvenier dRes aiv-infeqcia gadaedos. es rom ase ar aris,
kacobrioba daavadebis istoriamac daarwmuna. safrTxisgan iseTi adamianic ki
SeiZleba rom ar iyos dazRveuli, romelic skrupulozurad akontrolebs Tavis
qcevebs, imitom rom SeiZleba jandacvis dawesebulebaSi raRac servisi dasWirdes
da Tu es procedura xarisxian pirobebSi, yvela standartis dacviT ar Cautares,
ver aicilebs riskebs. ase rom unda gaverTiandeT am keTili motiviT da ara
erTmaneTis kritikisTvis, miT umetes ar unda vifiqroT, rom es sxvisi Wiria da
Cven ar gvexeba.
piriqiT unda gavzardoT Cvens TavSi Sinagani Tavisufleba
imisTvis, rom adamianebi iyvnen Ria am sakiTxebis ganxilvisTvis. saqarTveloSi
Znelia am Temebze laparaki. wlebis win, rogorc reproduqciuli janmrTelobis
specialistma, kondomis gamoyenebaze leqcia wavikiTxe. erTi axalgazrda ymawvili
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scenaze amovida, Tqveni axlos gacnoba mindao. imitom rom CaTvala, rom radgan
kondomze vlaparakobdi, advilad xelmisawvdomi viqnebodi.
minda bevri aseTi Sexvedra gaimarTos, sadac ufro momzadebuli sazogadoeba
iqneba da Cemze ukeTesad SeZlebs am yvelafris gaSuqebas. SeZlebs iyos imdenad
Zlieri da Tavisufali, rom absoluturad dazRveuli iyos siZulvilis enisganac,
nebismieri
diskriminaciisganac,
imitom
rom
Tavisuflebamoklebuli
gadawyvetilebebi kvebavs stigmas. didi madloba.
gogi gvaxaria _ didi madloba. vicodi, rom dRes stigmaze visaubrebdiT da
es mTavari Tema iqneboda. stigma, rogorc wesi, ucodinrobiT aris gamowveuli.
axla albaT qalbaton ninos movusminoT, romelic gvetyvis, ra siaxleebia am
infeqciasTan brZolis TvalsazrisiT. qalbatonma liam gviTxra, rom mniSvnelovani
progresia am sferoSi miRweuli.
nino badriZe _ Zalian didi madloba mowvevisaTvis. saubari minda daviwyo
imiT, Tu ras aRvniSnavT pirvel dekembers. es dRe pirvelad 1988 wels aRiniSna.
msoflio jandacvis ministrebis Sexvedraze aRiniSna, rom Sidsi iseTi daavadeba
iyo, romelic Zalian did zarals ayenebda ara marto jandacvis, aramed ekonomikis
sferosac da gadawyvites, rom erToblivad ebrZolaT am daavadebis winaaRmdeg.
SidsTan brZolis saerTaSoriso dRed pirveli dekemberi SearCies. 1991 wlidan ki
ukve yvelas gvikeTia wiTeli bafTebi, rac aris mxardaWera aiv-inficirebulTa
mimarT. es imas niSnavs, rom gvesmis maTi, vzrunavT maTze, ganvicdiT maT
mdgomareobas da vcdilobT mxarSi amovudgeT.
yovel pirvel dekembers aqvs Tavisi devizi. wlevandeli devizi, romelic
2015 wlamde SenarCundeba, aris ,,daviyvanoT nulamde~. es imas niSnavs, rom unda
SevecadoT, 2015 wlisTvis aRar iyos aiv-infeqciis SemTxvevebi. yvela qveyana unda
Seecados iseTi RonisZiebebis gatareba, rom 2015 wlisTvis aiv-infeqciis axali
SemTxveva aRar iyos da aRar iyos stigmatizacia da diskriminacia aivinficirebulebis mimarT. es Zalian seriozuli Canafiqria, Tumca yvelani unda
SevecadoT, rom mivaRwioT am mizans.
dRes msoflioSi daaxloebiT 33 milioni adamiania aiv-inficirebuli. modiT,
aqve ganvmartoT, rom aiv-inficirebuli ar niSnavs imas, rom adamians Sidsi aqvs.
aiv-infeqcia aris adamianis mdgomareoba, rodesac mis organizmSi aris virusi.
Sidsi aris aiv-virusiT wlebis Semdeg adamianis organizmSi gamowveuli
mdgomareoba, rasac ukve daavadebis ganviTarebamde mivyavarT. amitom aivinficirebulis SidsiT daavadebulTan gaTanabreba da mis sinonimad gamoyeneba
arasworia.
saqarTveloSi pirveli SemTxveva 1989 wels daregistrirda. iqidan
moyolebuli dRemde 3080 adamiania daregistrirebuli, rogorc aiv-inficirebuli.
maTgan daaxloebiT 700-mde adamiani gardaicvala, zogi am daavadebiT, zogic sxva,
Tanmxlebi daavadebiT. saqarTveloSi inficirebulebis 3/4 mamakacia. rac Seexeba
daavadebis ganviTarebas, stabiluri, magram mainc mzardi tendencia gvaqvs. nel-nela
izrdeba axali SemTxvevebis raodenoba. jerjerobiT ver mivaRwieT imas, rom ar
gaizardos axali SemTxvevebis raodenoba, vnaxoT mivaRwevT Tu ara amas 2015
wlisTvis. erTaderTi, rasac mivaRwieT, is aris, rom narkotikebis momxmareblebSi
axali SemTxvevebis gavrceleba odnav Semcirda. Tumca amis mtkicebac Zalian Znelia.
erT magaliTs moviyvan, rodesac aRricxva daviwyeT, 5-7 wlis win, Cveni
inficirebulebis 78% narkotikebis ineqciuri momxmarebeli iyo. dReisTvis maTi
raodenoba 56%-ia. amas SeiZleba ori mizezi hqondes, SesaZloa, TviTon
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narkotikebis momxmarebelTa raodenoba Semcirda, da meore _ arasamTavrobo
organizaciebis da cotaTi Sidsis centris saqebadac vityvi, rom maT moaxerxes
swori gzavnilebis mitana narkotikebis momxmareblebamde, Tu rogor unda
moexmaraT is usafrTxod, rom ar dainficirebuliyvnen. samwuxarod amas ver
vityviT sqesobrivi gziT gadacemaze, imitom rom rac ufro daiwia narkotikebis
moxmarebis wilma, miT ufro gaizarda sqesobrivi gziT gadacema. qarTveli
inficirebulebis daaxloebiT 40%-mde sqesobrivi gziT aris dainficirebuli. ase
rom amasac Zalian didi yuradReba unda mivaqcioT da yvela adamianma unda
gaiTavisos, rom es daavadeba sqesobrivi gziTac gadadis.
mokled visaubreb imaze, Tu ra siaxleebi gvaqvs mkurnalobasTan
dakavSirebiT. jer-jerobiT mniSvnelovani siaxle ar gvaqvs. erTaderTi kargi rac
gvaqvs, aris is rom mkurnalobis procesSi ar aris aiv-inficirebulTa
diskriminacia da ara aqvs mniSvneloba imas, Tu ra gziT dainficirda adamiani. minda
giTxraT, rom saqarTveloSi ar aris adamiani, romelsac sWirdeba da aqvs
mkurnalobis survili da ar eZleva amis saSualeb, mkurnaloba namdvilad
xelmisawvdeomia. mas afinansebs saxelmwifo da globaluri fondi. es programebi
erTmaneTs ar faravs da nawili finansdeba globaluri fondis mier da nawils
saxelmwifo afinansebs.
meore momentia gamokvlevebi, anu vis vutarebT testirebas am infeqciaze da
ramdenad SeuZlia dainteresebul adamians testireba anonimurad Caitaros.
gamokvlevebi tardeba ZiriTadad saxelmwifo programis saSualebiT, aseve
globaluri fondisa da USAID-is daxmarebiT. imisaTvis rom saxelmwifom zustad
gansazRvros Tanxebis daxarjva-ardaxarjvis sakiTxi, testirebis dros dadginda,
rom adamianma warmoadginos piradobis damadasturebeli mowmoba da mas mxolod
amis Semdeg SegviZlia CavutaroT konsultancia da testireba. winaaRmdeg
SemTxvevaSi mas mainc SeuZlia Caitaros testireba, oRond ara saxelmwifo
programiT. es Semovida 2011 wlis 22 ivlisidan, roca axali programa Sevida
ZalaSi. aq sazogadoebrivi jandacvis daavadebaTa kontrolis erovnuli centris
warmomadgenlebi arian, romlebic albaT dameTanxmebian, rom amas moyva Zalian
seriozuli debatebi. sakonsultaciod Semosul yvela pirs vafrTxilebT, rom aris
aseTi moTxovna, rom unda warmogvidginos piradobis mowmoba, winaaRmdeg
SemTxvevaSi Cven ar gvaqvs ufleba ufasod CavutaroT testireba.
stigmasac Sevexebi. Zalian xSirad saubroben imaze, rom aiv-inficirebulma
rom Tqvas, rom is aris aiv-inficirebuli, maSin aseTi stigma aRar iqneboda
qveyanaSi. magram meore mxriv aiv-inficirebulebs rom movusminoT, isini amboben,
rom stigma rom ar yofiliyo, isini gaamJRavnebdnen sakuTar Tavs. miuxedavad imisa,
rom Semcirda, stigma mainc Zalian Zlieria Cvens qveyanaSi. adre mSobiares, Tu is
aiv-inficirebuli iyo, xels ar mokidebdnen. stomatologTan ver midiodnen. dRes
bevri specialisti ukve aRar acxadebs uars moemsaxuros aiv-inficirebul
pacientebs. adre iyo saWiroeba da Cveni stomatologebi gvyavda, magram es ufro
aRrmavebs stigmas. amitom SevecadeT
ganaTlebiT migveRwia mosaxleobis
destigmatizaciisTvis. eqimebSi, stomatologebi iqnebian Tu qirurgebi, bevrad
ufro Semcirda stigma, Tumca dResac aris SemTxvevebi, rodesac uars amboben
pacientis momsaxurebaze sxvadasxva mizeziT. Sidsi rogorc wesi, ar saxeldeba
xolme. gmadlobT.
izolda bodokia, SidsiT daavadebulTa daxmarebis fondis direqtori _
vambobT, rom mateba metnaklebad stabiluria. magram mainteresebs, adre Catarebul
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gamokvlevebTan SedarebiT, is Semcirebulia naxevramde, Tumca raodenoba igive
gvaqvs. maSin geometriulad zrda sakmaod maRali unda iyos.
nino badriZe _ geTanxmebiT, ase iqneba Tu inficirebulTa raodenobas
SevufardebT gamokvleulTa raodenobas, magram isic unda gaviTvaliswinoT, rom es
daavadeba nel-nela fexs ikidebda saqarTveloSi. is Tu adre ruseTidan da
ukrainidan Semotanili infeqcia iyo, axla TviTon saqarTveloSi daiwyo
gavrceleba. magram yovelTvis arsebobs winaswari gaTvla, ramdeni inficirebuli
SeiZleba iyos qveyanaSi. UNAIDS-is da jandacvis msoflio organizaciis mier
gakeTebuli gaTvlebiT qveyanaSi daaxloebiT 5 aTasamde inficirebuli SeiZleba
iyos. es patara qveynisTvis arasasiamovno cifria, magram 100 aTas mosaxleze
gadaangariSebiT namdvilad dabali prevalentobis qveyana gamovdivarT.
gogi gvaxaria _ daaxloebiT aTi wlis win, rodesac am Temaze gadacemebs
vamzadebdi, specialistebi wlidan wlamde sul ufro SemaSinebel suraTs
xatavdnen. rasTan iyo dakavSirebuli panikis niSnebi, mosaxleobas vafrTxilebdiT,
rom frTxilad yofiliyvnen Tu SevcdiT? TqviTon eqimebi iyvnen panikaSi.
nino badriZe _ adre, rodesac SemTxvevebi jer aTass ar iyo gadacdenili,
Camosuli eqspertebi gvafrTxilebdnen xolme, rom dainficirebulTa raodenoba
rogorc ki gadascdeboda aTass, ukve Zalian swrafad, yovel momdevno wels kidev
aTasi daemateboda. sabednierod es ar gamarTlda. rasakvirvelia, imuSava
mosaxleobis gafrTxilebamac, raTa Tavi daecvaT, rom ar dainficirebuliyvnen.
gogi gvaxaria _ oriode dRis win gadacema Cavwere am Temaze. qalbatonma
jana javaxiSvilma Zalian ucnauri ram Tqva. Turme ruseTsa da ukrainaSi infeqciis
ase gavrceleba alkoholis Warb moxmarebas ukavSirdeba. rogorc Cans yofas Zalian
didi mniSvneloba aqvs, alkoholis zemoqmedebis qveS aRaravin fiqrobs
prezervativis gamoyenebaze. es aris seqsualuri urTierTobis kultura. es Temac,
sazogadoebis informirebac Zalian mniSvnelovania. ase rom Zalian kargia, rom
sazogadoebrivi mauwyeblis eTeriT gadaicema reklama am Temaze.
aq iTqva, rom stigma kvlav Zalian Zlieria. Cemi azriT, is gacilebiT ufro
Zlieri iyo aTi wlis win. maSin dainficirebuli adamianebis mimarT fobiebi ufro
sagrZnobi iyo. axla saxalxo damcvelis warmomadgenels movusminoT. Tu yofila
iseTi SemTxveva, rom dainficirebul adamians misi uflebebis darRvevis gamo
moemarTa saxalxo damcvelisTvis.
miranda axvlediani _ didi madloba mowvevisTvis. stigmis problema aisaxeba
saxalxo damcvelTan momarTvianobazec. ara gvaqvs arc erTi aseTi gancxadeba,
rodesac dainficirebuli adamianebi TavianTi Selaxuli uflebebis aRdgenis
TxovniT momarTavdnen saxalxo damcvels. amisi mizezi isic SeiZleba iyos, rom maT
eSiniaT konfidencialobis darRvevis. sazogadoebaSi gavrcelebuli araswori azrebi
am daavadebis Sesaxeb iwvevs am yvelafers. es Tema saxalxo damcvelis aparatisTvis
Zalian mniSvnelovania, imitom rom aiv-infeqciisa da Sidsis gavrceleba problemebs
uqmnis janmrTelobis uflebis realizacias da zogadad, sxva uflebebTan
konteqstSic ganixileba. Sesabamisad, vmonawileobT am diskusiaSi.
saxalxo damcveli adamianis uflebaTa da TavisuflebaTa darRvevas amowmebs
rogorc saCivris da gancxadebis safuZvelze, ise sakuTari iniciativiTac. gvqonda
ramdenime SemTxveva, rodesac sxva organizaciebisa da sakuTari iniciativiT
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Segviswavlia SidsTan dakavSirebuli sakiTxebi. mokled minda SegaxsenoT
saxelmwifos
valdebulebebze
janmrTelobis
dacvis
uflebasa
da
aivinfeqcia/SidsTan dakavSirebiT. erovnul kanonmdeblobaze SevaCereb Tqvens
yuradRebas. saqarTveloSi arsebobs specialuri kanoni aiv-infeqcia/Sidsis Sesaxeb,
romlis arsebobac maRal standarts awesebs. saqarTvelo Sedis im qveynebis
ricxvSi, sadac am sakiTxebTan dakavSirebiT specialuri kanoni gaaCniaT. aseve
arsebobs saxelmwifo programa, romelzec qalbatonma ninom isaubra. es programa
yvela dainficirebuls da daavadebuls moicavs diagnostikiTa da mkurnalobiT da
esec Zalian mniSvnelovania. mniSvnelovania iseTi sakiTxebi, rogoric aris
barierebi dasaqmebisas, ganaTlebis uflebasTan dakavSirebiT, samedicino dazRvevaze
xelmisawvdomobis sakiTxebi. es aris is problemebi, romlebic awuxebT aivinficirebulebs. aseve Zalian mniSvnelovania konfidencialobasTan dakavSirebuli
sakiTxebi. dReisTvis miiCneva, rom SidsiT daavadebuli adamianebi Tu am infeqciiT
dainficirebulebi miekuTvnebian mowyvlad jgufebs da gansakuTrebul movlas
saWiroeben saxelmwifos mxridan. maTi ufleba irRveva, rodesac xdeba
diskriminacia jamrTelobis, ganaTlebis da socialuri servisebis xelmisawvdomobis
TvalsazrisiT, anu rodesac ar aris Sesaferisi garemo am adamianebisaTvis. romc
ar iyos daavadeba Zalian gavrcelebuli, Tundac erTi adamiani rom iyos mxolod
dainficirebuli, is ufro metad mowyvladia janmrTel adamianebTan SedarebiT da
uflebrivi TvalsazrisiT met movlas saWiroebs saxelmwifos mxridan.
saxelmwifos gansakuTrebuli roli miuZRvis daavadebasTan brZolis saqmeSi.
is valdebulia, ara marto ar daarRvios es uflebebi, aramed Seqmnas pirobebi
imisaTvis, rom adamianebma srulad isargeblon maTTvis miniWebuli uflebebiT.
amisTvis arsebobs uflebis dayofis sammxrivi tipologia. es aris pativiscemis,
dacvisa da Sesrulebis valdebuleba, romelic saxelmwifos akisria. mindoda
patara paraleli gamevlo, rogor SeiZleba sxva uflebebis darRvevis konteqstSi
davinaxoT SidsiT daavadebuli adamianis diskriminacia da misi uflebis darRveva.
magaliTisTvis aviRoT Tundac ganaTlebis ufleba. pativiscemis valdebuleba
niSnavs, rom saxelmwifom ar unda daarRvios da pativi sces ganaTlebis uflebas,
magram SidsiT daavadebulis SemTxvevaSi es iqneba, rodesac dainficirebul bavSvebs
ar eqnebaT skolaSi wasvlis saSualeba. uflebis dacva niSnavs, rom saxelmwifo
icavs adamianebs mesame pirTa da arasaxelmwifo organoebis mxridan uflebebis
darRvevisgan. es, magaliTad ganaTlebis uflebis konteqstSi da SidsTan
mimarTebaSi SeiZleba ganixilos, rodesac mozardebis jgufs ar miuwvdeba xeli
magaliTad reproduqciuli janmrTelobis Sesaxeb informaciaze. esec SeiZleba
ganixilebodes rogorc ganaTlebis uflebis darRveva igive SidsTan da aivinfeqciasTan konteqstSi da am SemTxvevaSi xelisSemSleli SeiZleba iyos romelime
jgufi, an Tundac Tavad saxelmwifo. mesame aris Sesrulebis valdebuleba. es aris
Zalian mniSvnelovani faqtori, anu saxelmwifo valdebulia Seqmnas sakanonmdeblo
da sabiujeto programebi ama Tu im uflebis gansaxorcieleblad da es yvelaze
rTuli Sesasrulebelia xolme, gansakuTrebiT socialuri uflebebis SemTxvevaSi.
uflebebis SezRudvazec mindoda meTqva erTi-ori sityva, radgan is uflebebi,
romlebic adamianebs gvaqvs, ramdenime uflebis gamoklebiT, ar aris absoluturi.
isini garkveul SezRudvebs eqvemdebarebian, gansakuTrebiT rodesac saqme exeba
sazogadoebrivi jandacvis saWiroebebs.
mogaxsenebT CvenTan Semosul gancxadebebze, igive programebTan mimarTebaSi
da im darRvevebze, romlebic saxalxo damcvelis aparatma Seiswavla da ganixila.
giambobT SarSandel SemTxvevaze programebTan mimarTebaSi, rodesac miuxedavad
imisa, rom programa warmatebiT xorcieldeboda da mas Zalian bevri donori hyavda,
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SidsiT daavadebul adamianebs Tvenaxevris ganmavlobaSi ar miewodebodaT
medikamentebi. isini imdenad SeSfoTebulebi iyvnen, rom gadalaxes stigma, movidnen
CvenTan da gviTxres, rom eSinodaT, radgan informacia ar hqondaT, rodis
miiRebdnen wamals. davadgineT, rom maSin dairRva me-7 muxli `aiv-infeqcia/Sidsis
Sesaxeb~ kanonisa, romelic pacientebis mkurnalobisas droulobasa da uwyvetobas
uzrunvelyofs. aseve am kanonis mixedviT, gansazRvruli unda iyos im profesiaTa
nusxa, rodesac maTTan kontaqtSi yofnisas aris dainficirebis maRali riski. arc
am SemTxvevaSi Sesrulebula kanonis moTxovna, imitom rom, miuxedavad imisa, rom
kanoni ramdenime wlis win miiRes, jandacvis saministros aseTi nusxa
damtkicebuli ar aqvs da mxolod proeqtis saxiT arsebobs. es diskriminaciis
TvalsazrisiT ormagad safrTxis Semcvelia. safrTxes Seicavs im pirebis
diskriminaciisTvis, romelTac usafuZvlod eqmnebaT problema dasaqmebasTan
dakavSirebiT da im pirTa mimarTac, romelTa kontaqtic sariskoa ukve
dainficirebul adamianebTan.
anonimurobasTan dakavSirebiTac gavakeTeb mcire komentars. Cven jer ar
Segviswavlia es saqme. kanonis moTxovniT testireba anonimuri unda iyos da iq
aranairi daTqma ar aris, rom am SemTxvevaSi iyos, da im SemTxvevaSi ara. didi
madloba.
G
gogi gvaxaria _ Zalian didi madloba. axla baton kaxaber kepulaZes
movusminoT. mas uSualod aqvs kontaqti dainficirebul adamianebTan da yvelaze
kargad Tu ara, yovel SemTxvevaSi Zalian kargad icis, ra awuxebs maT. albaT
stigmazec visaubrebT.
kaxaber kepulaZe _ upirveles yovlisa madloba fonds da damswre
sazogadoebas. yvelaze sasixarulo is aris, rom darbazSi mxolod eqspertebi ar
arian. miRwevaa, rodesac diskusias eswrebian axalgazrdebi, romlebic movidnen
saintereso sakiTxis mosasmenad da ara mxolod imitom rom es asea saWiro.
rac Seexeba TviTon Temas, ukve bevri ram iTqva. me albaT momiwevs
garkveuli magaliTebiTYmimovixilo qveyanaSi arsebuli viTareba. upirvelesad
Sevexebi stigmisa da diskriminaciis sakiTxs. daviwyeb im informaciiT, romelic
SeiZleba sadRac amogikiTxavT kidec. magaliTad, arsebobs herpes-virusebi. rva
tipis virusia, romelic adamianisTvis daavadebis momtania. herpes-virusis
matarebelia mTeli msoflios mosaxleobis daaxloebiT 90%, citomegalovirusis
_ 70%. maTi raodenoba gacilebiT metia vidre aiv-virusis matarelebTa raodenoba,
magram maT aravin uwodebs daavadebulebs da uaryofiTi elferi ar sdevs maTze
saubars, gansxvavebiT maTgan, vizec dRes vsaubrobT. Zalian mniSvnelovania,
gaviTvaliswinoT, ra eniT vsaubrobT da ra sityvas viyenebT. unda vicodeT, rogor
gamoviyenoT terminologia. amitom Tavadac vebrZvi Tavs, rom Zveli terminebi,
romlebic CvenSi Rrmad zis, rogoricaa "aiv-inficirebuli", "SidsiT daavadebuli",
xSirad ar gamoviyeno, radgan arsebobs SedarebiT civiluri forma, aiv-pozitiuri
adamiani. am terminiT cota ufro rbilad gamovxatavT saTqmels, radgan
gavurbivarT sityva `daavadebuls~. aris Tu ara SiSi? gveSinia Tu ara? ra Tqma
unda gveSinia. ratom gveSinia? imitom rom Cven im sazogadoebis Svilebi varT,
romelsac eSinoda.
Tu davubrundebiT istorias, 80-ian wlebSi, pirveli, rac gaxda cnobili
Sidsis Sesaxeb, is iyo, rom raRac sasikvdilo daavadeba iqna gamovlenili. pirvel
wels marto aSS-Si 1500-ze meti adamiani dafiqsirda Sidsis stadiaze. maSin ar
iyo efeqturi gamovlenis saSualebebi, da vlindeboda mxolod klinikuri niSnidan
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gamomdinare, anu ukve daavadebuli adamianebi, romlebic am daavadebis bolo
stadiaze imyofebodnen. Sesabamisad, am periodSi ar iyo samedicino saSualebebi,
rom gankurnebaze, an Tundac SeCerebaze gvefiqra. amitom yvela gamovlenili
SemTxveva sikvdiliT sruldeboda. aman gamoiwvia panika. stigma mxolod aivpozitiur adamianebze ar vrceldeba. am daavadebam Zalian bevri jgufis
stigmatizireba moaxdina da es dRemde grZeldeba. upirveles yovlisa es is
jgufebi iyvnen, romlebic Tavidan informaciaSi gamoCndnen. vin iyvnen daavadebuli
adamianebi, anu, paralelurad vin iyvnen is adamianebi, vinc gaavrcelebdnen am
daavadebas. eseni aRmoCndnen homoseqsualuri urTierTobis mamakacebi, komerciuli
seqsis
muSaki
qalbatonebi
da
ineqciuri
gziT
wamlis
momxmareblebi.
`prostitucia~ iuridiuli terminia da sazogadoebrivi debatebis dros naklebad
gamosayenebelia, radgan TavisTavSi uaryofiT elfers moicavs. bevr qveyanaSia
legalizebuli es saqmianoba, Sesabamisad vuwodebT `komerciuli seqsis muSakebs~,
imitom rom Zalian bevr ganviTarebul qveyanaSi es saqmianoba Sromis CamonaTvalSia
Setanili. amas moyva is, rom es jgufebi Camoyalibda rogorc momatebuli riskis
jgufebi. imitom rom TavianTi cxovrebis stilidan gamomdinare, ufro meti
albaToba aqvT, rom dainficirdnen da Sesabamisad sxvas gadascen es infeqcia.
amdens vlaparakobT stigmaze da ar gviTqvams, ras warmoadgens is. xSirad
xdeba, rom erTsa da imave sakiTxze vlaparakobT, magram gansxvavebulad gvesmis.
stigma anu socialuri damRa gansxvavdeba ubralo stereotipisgan. stereotips
yovelTvis ar axlavs uaryofiTi elferi. magaliTad, stereotipia `qarTveli
alkoholiki ar arsebobs~. stereotipia, magram masSi uaryofiTi araferi devs.
magram `aiv-inficirebulebi borotdebian~ aris stigma. anu es aris yvelaze
radikaluri forma, romelic SeiZleba iyos sazogadoebaSi gavrcelebuli.
stigmatizaciis dros, Tqven yofT sazogadoebas, `Cven da isini~. es aris yvelaze
mniSvnelovani. am gayofis Sedegad ufro Rrmavdeba is stigmatizirebadi foni,
romelic Tu qmedebaSi gadavida, ukve warmoadgens diskriminacias.
Tavidanve vTqvi, rom stigmasTan muSaoba aris bewvis xidze siaruli, sadac
ar unda gadaameto arc marjvniv da arc marcxniv. xSirad xdeba, rom daavadebasTan
an stigmasTan brZolis dros Cven TviTon vametebT da uares stigmatizacias
viwvevT.
ramdenime wlis win, mezobel qveyanaSi mixsnidnen, ramdenad win arian, rogor
ebrZvian stigmas da dikriminacias am jgufTan mimarTebaSi. mimiyvanes sabavSvo baRSi,
romelic aris aiv-inficirebuli bavSvebisTvis. es iTvleba wingadadgmul nabijad.
warmoidgineT bavSvi, romelmac es yvelaferi gaiara. wlebis mere rom SeekiTxebian,
romel baRSi dadiodio, ra unda upasuxos, aiv-inficirebulebis baRSi? rogori
Camoyalibebuli fsiqofoni unda hqondes imis Sesaxeb, Tu ra aris sazogadoeba da
misi damokidebuleba imis mimarT, rasac Tavis TavSi hpovebs, rasTan erTadac
cxovrobs. mets getyviT, SeveSvaT mezobel saxelmwifos, saqarTvelos magaliTi
aviRoT.
CvenSi
siamayiT
gamocxadebul
sityvebs
gavimeoreb:
`Sidsiani
orsulebisTvis specialuri boqsi arsebobs!~ gasaazrebelia, ramdenad aris es
wingadadgmuli nabiji. warmoidgineT ganyofileba, romelsac aweria: `aivinficirebuli mSobiare da meZuZuri dedebisTvis~. sasaciloa xom? iciT ratom
aris sasacilo? imitom rom absoluturad aranormaluria, amitom gecinebaT, Torem
sinamdvileSi, amaSi iumori ar devs. 80-ian wlebSi saxelmwifoebSi stigmatizaciam
piks miaRwia, imitom rom xalxi ar iyo informirebuli. es didi talRa am wlebis
ganmavlobaSi nel-nela Cacxra, magram Cven jer kidev serfingistebi varT im
talRis pikze, romelic ver Cacxreba. miuxedavad imisa, rom SeiZleba xmamaRla
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aRar ismis gamosvlebi, konkretuli magaliTebi aCvenebs, rom es mZime foni kidev
arsebobs.
aris erTi momenti, romelic xSirad SeiZleba sadRac waikiTxoT an gaigoT:
`ra moxda? es im adamianebis bralia, visac es mouvida.~ Cven xom xmamaRla vambobT,
rom es infeqcia garkveuli qcevebiT gadaicema, da Tu Tqveni qcevebi
kontrolirebadia Tqvens mier, maSin gadacemis albaToba Zalian mcirdeba, TiTqmis
nuls utoldeba. Tu qcevebi kontrolirebadia, gamodis, rom Tu infeqcia
gadaedoT, es ukve am adamianebis bralia, radgan ar moufrTxildnen Tavs da ratom
unda amovudgeT mxarSi, ratom unda vilaparakoT amdeni imis Sesaxeb, aris Tu ara
fuli samkurnalod. magram gana vinme ganikiTxavs adamianebs, romlebic
avtoSemTxvevis dros ziandebian mxolod imis gamo, rom Rvedi ar hqondaT
gadaWerili? esec xom kontrolirebadi qcevaa. dazaralda imitom, rom sakuTari
qceva ar akontrola. stigmasTan brZolis efeqturi meTodebi ar arsebobs. es
Teoriaa. magram am TeoriaSic arsebobs ori ZiriTadi gza. erTi aris ganaTlebainformireba, meore _ gaZliereba. pirvel moments rom davubrundeT, romelic exeba
ganaTleba-informirebas, marto informaciis gavrceleba sakmarisi ar aris. es
komunikaciis nawilia, orive elementi unda iyos, Tavadac unda miiRo informacia.
magram mis miRebas motivacia sWirdeba. ratom aris dabali motivacia? imitom rom
dRemde bevrs hgonia, rom mas ar exeba es da maTTvis es Tema aqtualuri ar aris.
Zalian bevr adamianTan gvimuSavia wlebis ganmavlobaSi, da SemiZlia giTxraT,
rom Zalian xSirad vxvdebiT im faqts, rom SeiZleba wlebis ganmavlobaSi
elaparako adamians, magram rom kiTxav, mainc ver gipasuxebs, radgan ar ainteresebs.
magram rogorc ki raRaca moxdeba mis gverdiT, mis axloblobaSi, an TviTon
waawyda rames, daintereseba maSinve matulobs. es, me vityodi, zogadad
sazogadoebis problemaa, ar ifiqros winaswar da mxolod, rodesac faqtis winaSe
aRmoCndeba, daiwyos fiqri ama Tu im sakiTxze.
davubrundebi isev Cvens magaliTebs. rodesac vsaubrobT, rom aiv-infeqcia/
Sidsis Sesaxeb kanoni gvaqvs, me getyviT, rom manamdec arsebobda kanoni. am kanonze
ori mizezis gamo daviwyeT muSaoba. pirveli iyo saerTaSoriso rekomendaciebi, da
meore imitom, rom wina kanoni ar iyo iuridiulad gamarTuli da iTvleboda, rom
radgan iuridiulad ar iyo gamarTuli, amis gamo misi aRsruleba arasrulfasovani
iyo. SevecadeT, maqsimalurad dagvexvewa kanoni. magram erTi rame unda icodeT,
idealur variantSi daavadebis Sesaxeb kanoni ar unda arsebobdes. es wingadadgmuli
nabiji ki ara, arsebuli viTarebidan gamosavlis Ziebaa. am kanonidan gamomdinare,
mere yvelas vekiTxebodi, hqondaT Tu ara kanoni. Svedebma gviTxres, gvaqvso, magram
ra aqvT? 4 punqti gamomigzavnes. mniSvnelovania, rom roca raRaca sferos
regulireba ginda, aucilebeli araa, rom kanoni daamato. jobia imis aRsrulebaze
imuSao, rac ukve arsebobs. aiv-pozitiuri adamianebis uflebebis kanonSi moxsenieba
am jgufis stigmatizirebaa. ratom? ra unda CaweroT iseTi, rac saqarTvelos
moqalaqis uflebebisgan gansxvavdeba? risi ufleba aqvs, swavlis? RmerTo Cemo,
aqamde ar hqonda? muSaobis? hqonda! rom ar sruldeba, imis advokatireba unda
moxdes, rom es aRsruldes, da ara is, rom Semoitano axali kanoni, romelic
aRsruldeba an ara.
dResdReobiT qveyanaSi saxelmwifom Tavisi normatiuli dokumentiT,
ministris brZanebiT, dauSva praqtikulad araanonimuri kvlevebi. mosaxleobisTvis
anonimuri testireba dRes SeuZlebelia. Tu ar CavTvliT grantebs, romlebic
droebiTia. samwuxarod, maSin, roca vimsjeleT, SegveZlo Cagvesva direqtiulad,
rom saxelmwifom unda uzrunvelyos anonimuri testireba. magram ar gavakeTeT,
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SevarbileT es situacia, imitom rom Cven TviTon ar viqnebodiT pasuxismgeblebi
Semdgom dafinansebaze. swored is gaxda iuridiulad gamosayenebeli punqti, da ver
edavebi, radgan davwereT, rom `saxelmwifos aqvs ufleba testirebis, maT Soris
anonimurad~. da es avtomaturad iqna gamoyenebuli. dRes gvaqvs is, rac gvaqvs.
fasiania, anonimuroba ar aris, kidev kargi konfidencialoba arsebobs. amasac xazs
vusvam, aucilebelia Tu ara msgavs kanonSi Cawero konfidencialobis Sesaxeb? ara.
konfidencialobis Sesaxeb calke dokumenti arsebobs. mTlianad exeba yvelas.
arsebobs iseTi kanoni, rogoricaa pacientis uflebebis Sesaxeb, romelic ar ambobs
aiv-pozitiuria, Tu araa aiv-pozitiuri. rodesac vsaubrobT diskriminaciaze,
gasaazrebelia, yovelTvis gadadis Tu ara stigma diskriminaciaSi. diskriminacia
rom ganviTardes, saWiroa sazogadoebaSi Zalauflebis araTanabari gadanawileba
iyos. SeiZleba aiv-inficirebulma adamianma moaxdinos samedicino muSakTa
stigmatizacia. rogor? Tqvas, rom yvela eqimi cudad epyroba aiv-inficirebuls,
radgan saerTod ar icis es sakiTxi. es aris stigmatizacia, magram diskriminaciaSi
gadadis? vera. aba piriqiT davatrialoT. Tu eqimi stigmatizacias ukeTebs
pacientis garkveul jgufs, mas SeuZlia ganaxorcielos diskriminacia imiTi, rom
ar miawodos Sesabamisi servisi, romelic imas isedac ekuTvnis.
rodesac gvxvdeba iseTi SemTxveva, rodesac amboben, rom eqimma ar Seasrula
Tavisi saeqimo valdebuleba da daarRvia teqnikuri parametrebi, uari uTxra
samedicino momsaxurebaze, gvaqvs dokumenti amis Sesaxeb? ratom unda gvqondes?
gvaqvs kanoni pacientis uflebebis Sesaxeb, kanoni saeqimo saqmianobis Sesaxeb da
bolos, jandacvis kanoni mTlianad qveynis, romelic aseT sakiTxebs aregulirebs.
ar sruldeba? da vin ibrZvis misi aRsrulebisTvis? stigmatizaciam gamoiwvia sxva
rame. TviTon is jgufi, visac exeba es sakiTxi, pasiuri gaxda. am fonma SeiZleba
gamoiwvios stigmatizaciis erTi forma, romelsac qvia TviTstigma, romlis
aRmofxvra gacilebiT rTulia. es aris mdgomareoba, rodesac adamiani uaryofiTad
miiCnevs im jgufs, romelsac TviTon ekuTvnis. madloba.
gogi gvaxaria _ didi madloba. erTi kiTxva maqvs. ar SeiZleba am Temas
gverdi avuaroT. es aris eklesiis damokidebuleba. sxvaTa Soris, es problema
marto saqarTveloSi ar dgas. ramdenadac vici, axlaxans inglisSi moxda saSineli
faqti, roca pastorma Tavis mrevls aukrZala mkurnaloba, ris Sedegadac isini
daiRupnen. iqneb TviTstigmas is iwvevs, rom am adamianebs Tavi damnaSaved da
codvilad miaCniaT?
kaxaber kepulaZe _ ubralo magaliTs getyviT. Tumca ar miyvars am Temaze
saubari, radgan Tavad im adamianTa ricxvs mivekuTvnebi, vinc ar laparakobs imaze,
risic eSinia. es iyo ramdenime wlis win, roca gadavwyviteT, rom komerciuli
seqsis muSaki qalbatonebis bavSvebi gagvenawilebina sacxovreblebSi, radgan maT
mSobels ar hqonda maTi aRzrdis saSualeba. Zalian bevr dabrkolebas wavawydiT
maSin. bolos davukavSirdiT sapatriaqos bavSvTa TavSesafrebs. TiTqos yvelaferi
mogvarda, magram zustad 2 kviris molaparakebis Semdeg gamoitanes 2 axali piroba.
pirveli, rom unda migvetana cnoba, rom bavSvi ar iyo aiv-inficirebuli, da meore,
dedas ar eqneboda bavSvis naxvis ufleba. amaze Sewyda yvelaferi, aRarc kvlevaZieba gagvigrZelebia.
gogi gvaxaria _ ratom ar giyvarT amaze lapraki. mTeli dRevandeli
Sexvedris yvelaze mniSvnlovani ram TqviT.
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kaxaber kepulaZe _ xedavT, rom vcdilob gverdze davudge am adaminebs,
magram mec im wlebis Svili var, roca saSinelebad iTvleboda Sidsi,
homoseqsuali, qali, romelic quCaSi seqss yidis da miTumetes ineqciuri gziT
momxmarebeli. me minda vTqva, rom stigma ZiriTadad 4 formiT vlindeba:
kulturaluri,
instituciuri,
piradi
da
interpersonaluri.
swored
kulturaluri stigmis nawilia is, rom sazogadoebaSi arsebobs garkveuli xedva,
romlis gamoc, garkveuli jgufi gamoyofilia da mas miewereba is niSnebi,
romliTac is iqneba yovelTvis sxva danarCenisagan. bevri rame ganicdis cvlilebas,
magram roca vsaubrobT eklesiis xedvaze, aq arc ki vici ra vTqva xolme, imitom
rom raRac dogmatizebuli formaa, romelsac ar ici, ra da rogor unda umtkico.
Tumca ver vityvi, rom yvela erTnairia, imitom rom am kulturalur nawilSic
Segvxvedria adamianebi, romlebic gverdze dagvdgomian da ucdiaT swori
mimarTuleba miecaT azrebis msvlelobisTvis. medals ori mxare aqvs.
lia TavaZe _ CemTvis eklesia sazogadoebis nawilia da rogorc aris
sazogadoebaSi, Zalian cotani arian isini, visac SeuZlia gverdiT dgoma, gageba,
tolerantoba da ase Semdeg, aseve aris albaT eklesiaSic. amaSi absoluturad
darwmunebuli var. Cvenzec bevria damokidebuli. visac gvaqvs urTierToba am
adamianebTan, viyoT ufro gulaxdilebi, velaparakoT am Temaze, oRond
koreqtulad, eklesiaze Tavdasxmis gareSe. darwmunebuli var, eklesia aris
anarekli im sazogadoebisa, rac gvaqvs.
gogi gvaxaria _ rac batonma kaxam Tqva, es kriminalia, Tavdasxma ra SuaSia?
kriminali unda daisajos. es xom kanonis darRvevaa? rac ufro metad vityviT amas,
miT ukeTesia, Torem gamodis, rom am stigmas Cven TviTon vuwyobT xels.
lia TavaZe _ me TavdasxmaSi sxva ram vigulisxme. erT Cems megobarTan
polemika mqonda `facebook"-ze, sadac saSineli komentari dawera mRvdelze,
romelic nakurTxi wyliT raRacas ganwmendda. es aris saeklesio rituali. aseT
Tavdasxmebs vgulisxmob. dogma dogmaa da amaze polemika namdvilad ar aris
saWiro. movTxovoT pasuxi koreqtulad.
kaxaber kepulaZe _ erTs davamateb. minda qalbaton lias gamovexmauro da
cota sxvanairad vTqva is, rac man Tqva. Cven xSirad vyofT saxelmwifos,
sazogadoebasa da eklesias. ar arsebobs es dayofa. saxelmwifo aris instrumenti
sazogadoebis xelSi. saxelmwifo yalibdeba ise, rogori SekveTacaa sazogadoebis
mxridan, tiraniaze ar vsaubrob. jer yalibdeba sazogadoeba da mere formirdeba is
saxelmwifo, romliTac am sazogadoebam unda ifiqros momavalze. zogadi foni
xels uwyobs am gamovlinebebs, ama Tu im nawilidan, iqneba es eklesia Tu
calkeuli samTavrobo aqtebi da a.S.
nino badriZe _ raRacas davamateb eklesiis Sesaxeb. kaxas verafriT ver
daveTanxmebi. daveTanxmebi imaSi, rom medals ori mxare aqvs. eklesiaSi arseboben
adamianebi, romlebsac gansxvavebuli xedva aqvT. SemiZlia mogiyvanoT magaliTi, rom
aiv-inficirebulebi wasulan monasterSi da iq berebis da monazvnebis gverdiT
ucxovriaT. maT icodnen rom aiv-inficirebulebTan hqondaT saqme, magram mxarSi
amosdgomian da maTTvis TviTgvema, TviTstigma mouxsniaT.
gogi gvaxaria _ institucia ar aris mxolod monasteri da berebi.
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nino badriZe _ ra Tqma unda, magram institucia xom pirovnebebisgan Sedgeba.
gogi gvaxaria _ maSin xelisuflebas ratom vakritikebT? xelisuflebaSic
arian kargebi, cudebi, saSualoebi, uniWoebi, Cven xom zogadad instituciaze
vsaubrobT? berebi sxvaTa Soris yvelaze kargi xalxia mag mxriv, yvelaze
gulwrfelebi da gasagebia, rom gauges.
lolita Sengelia _ batonma kaxam Tqva, rom rogorc ki eklesiam es ori
piroba warmoadgina, egreve xeli Caiqnies. iqneba arc am xalxSi iyo informacia da
ar icodnen, rom aiv-infeqcia ar gadadis megobrobiT da ar iyo savaldebulo, rom
maTi mSoblebisTvis aekrZalaT biologiuri Svilebis naxva. cota naadrevi xom ar
iyo xelis Caqneva? xom ar ajobebda informaciis gazrdis mizniT treningebi
CagetarebinaT maTTvis? da meore sakiTxi: Tu aris dawyebuli raime saxis
molaparakeba jandacvis saministrosTan an sadazRveo kompaniasTan, rom rogorme
sadazRvevo paketSi Caidos aRniSnuli riski. mesmis, rom saxelmwifo mTlianad
afinansebs Sidsis mkurnalobas, magram igive stomatologTan viziti ar aris iafi
da yvelasTvis xelmisawvdomi.
kaxaber kepulaZe _ ar miTqvams, rom xeli davibaneT. vTqvi, rom sakiTxi
Sewyda, radgan is saswrafo gadawyvetas moiTxovda. Cven sxva mimarTulebas
mivmarTeT. Torem Semdeg Sexvedrac iyo, konferenciac Catarda da treningebic.
es saubari dRemde grZeldeba. ubralod is konkretuli Tema Sewyda maSin, radgan
sxva mimarTuleba movZebneT.
lia TavaZe _ kargi iqneboda, jandacvis saministrodan yofiliyo vinme.
ramdenadac CemTvis cnobilia, sadazRvevo sistema saqarTveloSi jerjerobiT ar
moicavs am pakets. stomatologis momsaxurebas araTu aiv-inficirebulisTvis,
zogadad sxva momxmareblebisTvisac naklebad afinansebs, Tumca gaaCnia pakets. me
uaRresad xelmisawvdom programebs vgulisxmob. rac Seexeba ideas, is ukve devs
axal strategiaSi, romelic gaeros mxardaWeriT Seiqmna. 2011-2016 wlebis
strategia Zalian saintereso dokumentia. iq ukve rekomendaciis saxiT aris
Cadebuli is, rom daiwyos muSaoba am mimarTulebiT. Cven imedi gvaqvs, rom
momavalSi iqneba Zvrebi am kuTxiT.
Tea cagareli _ me warmovadgen saqarTveloSi aiv-prevenciis proeqts,
romlis
farglebSic
vatreningebT
sasuliero
pirebs
aiv-infeqcia/Sidsis
prevenciaze. minda giTxraT, rom maT elementaruli informacia ar hqondaT. isic ki
ar icodnen, rogor gadadis aiv-infeqcia, ratom ar aris saSiSi maTTan saubari da
a.S. saboloo xelmowerili dokumenti jer ar arsebobs, magram winaswari
molaparakebebis Sedegad Sidsis prevencia da narkomaniis sakiTxebi ori leqciis
saxiT Seva sasuliero akademiis studentebisTvis. amJamad vmuSaobT kurikulumze.
eklesiaze vsaubrobT, magram piradad CemTvis, bevrad meti kriminalia, rodesac
samedicino personali ambobs uars am adamianebis momsaxurebaze.
beJan mSvidobaZe _ didi madloba biolis fonds am aqtualur Temaze
debatebis gamarTvisTvis. ramdenime SekiTxva maqvs. mainteresebs, sisxlis garda
kidev ra gziT gadadis aiv-infeqcia. Tu aris SesaZlebeli, rom pirvelad etapze
aRmoaCinos daavadebulma, imunitetis daqveiTebamde, rom avad aris, an Tu gvian
aRmoaCens, ramdeni weli SeiZleba man icocxlos saTanado mkurnalobis pirobebSi.
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aseve mainteresebs sisxlis, an romelime organis gamocvla Tu axangrZlivebs
sicocxles. amave dros, xom ar fiqrobT, rom dasjadi iyos daavadebis damalva. an
daavadebuli rom bavSvs aCens, amazec xom unda ifiqron winaswar. mainteresebs,
ratom ar SeiZleba yvelas gamokvleva, rasTan aris es dakavSirebuli, finansebTan?
an is Tu aris praqtikaSi, rom SidsiT daavadebulma sikvdilze ki ara, karg saqmeze
ifiqros da meti mobilizacia gaukeTos Tavs, rom sikvdilamde bevri kargi saqmis
gakeTeba moaswros.
nino badriZe _ Sevecdebi vupasuxo Tqvens kiTxvebs. mTeli sazogadoebis
testireba ar aris saWiro. umjobesia mxolod is gamovikvlioT, visac hqonda riskqceva. infeqcia gadaecema nebismieri saxis sqesobrivi kontaqtiT da sisxlis
gadasxmiT an arasteriluri samedicino instrumentebis gamoyenebiT, romlebic
dabinZurebuli iyo aiv-inficirebulis sisxliT an sxva biologiuri siTxeebiT. amas
jerjerobiT ar Svelis arc organoebis gadanergva da arc sisxlis gamocvla. iyo
mcdeloba, magram araefeqturi aRmoCnda. rac ufro adreul etapze aRmovaCenT
daavadebas, ra Tqma unda ukeTesia. Tu is manamde gamovavlineT, vidre adamians
Seuqcevadi daavadeba Camouyalibdeba, mkurnalobis fonze man SeiZleba Rrma
moxucebulobas miaRwios.
sofio benaSvili, saxalxo damcvelis aparati _ Zalian didi madloba am
Temis wamowevisTvis. minda patara komentari gavakeTo. diskriminaciis winaaRmdeg
brZolis TvalsazrisiT Zalian didi mniSvneloba aqvs sasamarTlo praqtikas.
saqarTveloSi ar arsebobs arc erTi saqme, romelic am sarCuliT iqneboda
waRebuli sasamarTloSi. mirandam am sakiTxze isaubra. Cven vmuSaobT am Temaze. iyo
gaxmaurebuli saqme, rodesac adamianebs SromiT xelSekrulebaSi Caudes punqti imis
Taobaze, rom Tu adamiani aiv-pozitiuri iyo, am Tanamdebobaze dasaqmebis ufleba
ar hqonda. rodesac am TemiT davinteresdiT, aRmovaCineT, rom ar arsebobda is
nusxa, romelic wlebis win unda SeemuSavebina saxelmwifos. bevri SeiZleba
vilaparakoT Teoriulad diskriminaciasa da stigmaze, magram vidre ar gveqneba
konkretuli magaliTebi, konkretul problemebze laparaki gagviWirdeba. amitom
sakuTar Tavsac da sxva iuristebsac movuwodeb, rom am kuTxiT gaamaxvilon
yuradReba. gmadlobT.
nino badriZe _ sasamarTlo procesebi am TemasTan dakavSirebiT yofila da
samwuxarod, albaT kidev iqneba. amas imitom vambob, rom ra Tqma unda sjobs
saerTod ar iyos. rac Seexeba iuridiul momsaxurebas, roca aiv-inficirebulisTvis
dagvWirvebia iuristi, axalgazrda iuristTa asociaciisTvis migvimarTavs da maT
konsultacia gauweviaT da mxarSi amodgomian am adamianebs. rac Seexeba profesiebis
CamonaTvals, kanonqvemdebare aqtiT aris gaTvaliswinebuli, proeqti arsebobs,
mxolod xelis moweraa saWiro. samwuxarod gaiwela misi legitimizacia.
kaxaber kepulaZe _ am proeqtis ganxorcielebamde ZalaSia wina ministris
brZaneba. es aris WipaSvilis droindeli dokumenti da SegiZliT mas gaecnoT.
miranda axvlediani _ araviTari wina brZaneba ar arsebobs, imitom rom axali
kanonis qolgis qveS unda gamosuliyo axali kanonqvemdebare aqtebi. gardamaval
debulebebSi aRniSnulia, rom es unda momxdariyo axali kanonis ZalaSi Sesvlidan
6 TveSi, magram mas Semdeg bevri weli gavida.
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levan buTxuzi _ Zalian sainteresoa meTodologiuri mxare. vlaparakobT ra
gakeTda, statistikac aCvenebs, rom marTlac aris winsvla, magram iqneb isic
vTqvaT, rogor gakeTda. an im axali strategiis danergvas rogor apirebT,
romelmac bevri ram Secvala. wina strategia, Cemi STabeWdilebiT ufro
ganaTlebaze iyo orientirebuli, es ufro agresiul Sesvlas gvTavazobs samizne
jgufebTan urTierTobis kuTxiT. TavisTavad es ukve cvlis arasamTavrobo
seqtoris prioritetebsac. Zalian saintereso axali veli iqmneba samuSaod.
meToduri mxare yovelTvis moikoWlebs xolme prezentaciebis dros.
nino badriZe _ rodesac 90-ian wlebSi daviwyeT amaze muSaoba, gzavnilebi
plakatebidan saocrad SemaSinebeli da agresiuli iyo. yvelaze agresiuli meTodi
Cemi azriT is aris, rom rac SeiZleba meti aiv-inficirebulis gamovlena
movaxerxoT rac SeiZleba adreul etapze. imitom rom es aris maTi janmrTelobis
sawindari. rac ufro meti adamiani Caitarebs konsultirebas da testirebas, miT
ufro meti iqneba informirebuli. samwuxarod, wels Semosuli cvlilebiT ID unda
warmoadginos adamianma.
levan buTxuzi _ konstitucia icvleba yovel wuTas. ramdenad SesaZlebelia
lobireba gauwioT da SecvaloT es punqti.
mzia tabataZe, USAID-is proeqtis aiv-politikis da advokatirebis eqsperti
_ rodesac kanonSi raRac ar moswonT da miT umetes, rodesac saxelmwifos
finansur valdebulebas vkidebT, is kanoni devs wlebis ganmavlobaSi, rogorc es
moxda narkotikebTan dakavSirebuli kanonis SemTxvevaSi, romelic devs 2007
wlidan. erT samwuxaro magaliTsac mogiyvebiT, riTac Cvenc SevuwyeT xeli
diskriminacias.
gvindoda
partnioris
Setyobineba
gagvekeTebina
mxolod
`regularul~ sqesobriv partniorze _ `boifrend-gerlfrendze~ da meuRleze.
imitom rom meuRle ar iyenebs kondoms Tavis meuRlesTan da ufleba aqvs icodes
Tavisi partnioris aiv-pozitiobis statusi. rodesac parlamentSi mivediT,
aRmoCnda, rom regularuli partnioris ganmarteba Zalian Znelia da pirdapir
Caweres `sqesobrivi partniori~. aman Cveni kanoni diskriminaciis wyarod gadaaqcia.
gamodis, rom aiv-pozitiuri adamiani, viTom Cvens mier dawerili kanoniT,
valdebulia yvela Tavis sqesobriv partniors uTxras Tavisi statusi. amas Cven ar
veTanxmebiT. rogorc ki miiRes kanoni, amogvigdes is mniSvnelovani sityva, romelic
gvindoda yofiliyo kanonSi, vTqviT dagvewera werili da dagvewyo advokatireba
cvlilebebis Setanaze. magram ise gamovida, rom dRemde jer mxolod vfiqrobT.
yvelam unda viaqtiuroT.
rac Seexeba agresiul informirebas, skolebSi Cveni proeqtis farglebSi
vaxorcielebT sapilote programas. magram gvikrZalaven iseTi sityvebis warmoTqmas,
rogoric aris seqsi, kondomi. ganaTlebis saministro amayad gamoacxadebs, rom
piloti Sedga da skolaSi cxovrebis jansaRi wesi inergeba.
kvleva, romelic 2011 wels CavatareT Tbilisis skolebis maRal klasebSi,
aCvenebs, rom gamokiTxulTa 25%-ma saerTod ar icis sityva aiv-infeqcia, mxolod
10% pasuxobs sworad xuT standartul kiTxvas aiv-infeqciis gadacemis Sesaxeb.
imaze saSineli ra unda iyos, rom Tbilisis studenti axalgazrdoba ambobs, rom
aiv-inficirebulebi diaxac izolirebulebi unda iyvnen, rom maTTan erTad ar
imuSavebdnen, rom skolaSi ar unda imuSaos inficirebulma adamianma da a.S. me
mediasac davadanaSauleb. kargi, sazogadoebriv mauwyebelze gadis Cveni klipebi. ras
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akeTebs am dros ,,imedi~ an `rusTavi2~?
axalgazrdebi, CvenTvis ar aris gaxsnili.
is
arxebi,
romlebsac
uyureben
lia TavaZe _ Tqveni proeqtis ori sxdoma iyo. pirvelze ganaTlebis
saministros im jgufma, romelTanac Tqveni proeqti muSaobs, gamoitana
prezentaciisTvis es namuSevari, romlis wyalobiTac albaT saganmanaTleblo
programebSi gaTvaliswinebuli iqneba e.w. jansaRi cxovrebis wesi. es procesi
CemTvis absoluturad miuRebeli iyo, radgan iq realurad araferi iyo naxsenebi,
rac dakavSirebulia jansaRi cxovrebis wesTan. momixda mkacri toniT Semexsenebina
yvelasTvis, rom saqarTveloSi miuxedavad imisa, rom prevalentoba dabalia, aris
Zalian didi riskebi. imitom rom saqarTvelo samwuxarod Sedis im qveynebis siaSi,
sadac ganuxrelad izrdeba inficirebis gamovlenis ricxvi. Svidia aseTi qveyana
msoflioSi da xuTi regionSi, sadac ganuxrelad izrdeba inficirebulTa ricxvi.
es aris ganpirobebuli imiT, rom aris uamravi barieri. iqmneba axali barierebi,
magaliTad testirebis dros piradobis mowmobis moTxovna. aRarafers vambob imaze,
rom narkomomxmareblebs urCevniaT daimalon, vidre is servisi miiRon, rac
ekuTvniT. amis gamosworeba Cvenzea damokidebuli.
Zalian kargad maqvs gacnobierebuli, rom axla velaparakebi im xalxs,
romelsac lamis kviraSi 2-3 jer vxedav. cotaa adamiani, maT Soris Jurnalisti,
romelic CemTvis axali auditoria iqneboda. dRevandeli diskusia CvenTvis
mokrZalebuli saSualeba iyo, migvewvdina xma im adamianebmade, romlebsac ar aqvT
informacia. magram mainc madlobeli yvelasi, vinc dRes movida Cvens mosasmenad.
eka WiTanava, Jurnali `liberali~ _ kiTxva maqvs terminologiasTan
dakavSirebiT, imitom rom vaxseneT jer `aiv-inficirebuli~, Semdeg `aiv-pizitivi~.
sad SeiZleba swori terminologiis naxva? ra saitebzec Cven movipovebT
informacias, im saitebze xSirad aris araswori terminologia, rogoricaa
`intravenuri~ narkomania.
nino badriZe _ intravenuri narkomania sxva raRacaa, da ineqciuri cota
sxva. Tu moxvalT CvenTan centrSi, me SemiZlia mogceT aiv-infeqciasTan
dakavSirebul terminTa leqsikoni.
eka WiTanava _ ki, magram ar jobia, es informacia
ganTavsdes? radgan veb-gverdi yvelasTvis xelmisawvdomia.
veb-gverdze
rom
mzia tabataZe _ guSin, Tqvens veb-gverdze wavawydiT termins `intravenuri
narkomaniis~ wili. ar SeiZleba aseTi raRacebi, imitom rom CemTvis aiv-infeqciis
gadacemis saxe asocirdeba saziaro Spricis CxvletasTan, anu ineqciasTan. da
dRevandeli narkotikis momxmareblebi SeiZleba venaSic ikeTebdnen, kanqveSac da
kunTSic. anu termini `intravenuri narkomani~ araviTar SemTxvevaSi ar unda
gamoviyenoT, roca aiv-infeqciaze vsaubrobT.
ZalianYkargi informacia maqvs amasTan dakavSirebiT. Cvenma proeqtma dainaxa,
rom
Jurnalistebi
Tavisdauneburad
uSveben
Secdomebs
terminologiasTan
dakavSirebiT, amitom gadavwyviteT gamogveca saxelmZRvanelo, sadac weria ratom
ar unda gamoviyenoT erTi termini da riTi unda CavanacvloT is. es
saxelmZRvanelo axla gadis koreqtirebas, da dekemberSi an ianvarSi gamoicema. es
saxelmZRvanelo aris specialurad JurnalistebisTvis, da imedi gvaqvs, rom
Jurnalistebs Zalian gamoadgeba.
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kaxaber kepulaZe _ kargi praqtika iyo Tavis droze JurnalistTa jgufis
Seqmna, rodesac erT Temaze aris mimarTuli saubari da nebismier Jurnalists
SeuZlia movides, naxos da gaigos Tundac is terminologia. Jurnalists SeuZlia
dasvas kiTxvebi da miiRos pasuxebi. me mgoni kargi iqneboda am praqtikis aRdgena,
gansakuTrebiT iseT Temaze, rogoricaa aivi.
mzia tabataZe _ Tu SeiZleba Zalian mokled vityvi. Jurnalistebi am bolo
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